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    October 17, 2012
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mark hamming luke skywalker will be in, and then the press in new york goes way too far. >> our job. >> a punch in the face. how is he going to punch me in the face. he said, yeah. >> cenk: and we've got a binder full of elbows for mitt romney. you know what time it is. it's go time. [ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> romney: i had a question. >> the two candidates go after each other aggressively. >> this is like a boxy match. >> romney: the question was how much did you cut them by. >> they're literally in each other's faces. >> i have an answer.
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>> tiptiptoed to rudeness. >> an amore assertive president obama. >> obama clearly had a good night. >> it was an act of terror. >> he did call it an act of terror. >> on the question of libya both the president and romney were wrong. >> i'm still trying to get the hang of this thing debating. >> time for him to put together a vision of what he did in the final four years. >> i'll keep improving as time goes on. i have one left. >> we have this show. >> cenk: i hear you on that. although you didn't love what you heard last night. the script began as it did in the first debate as it did between mitt romney and abraham. mitt romney came out strong. here's what happened in the first question. >> romney: i know what it takes to create good jobs again. i know what it takes to make sure that you have the kind of opportunity that you deserve and kids across this country are going to recognize we're bringing back an economy.
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it's not going to be like the last four years. the middle class has been crushed over the last four years, and jobs have been too square. when do you graduate? 2014 when you come out in 2014 i presume i'll be president. i'll make you are you get a job. thanks jeremy, yeah, you bet. >> cenk: even if i have to fire someone, i'll get you a job you betcha. but this time around things are a bill different because president obama came out equally strong. >> obama: jeremy, first of all your future is bright. and the fact that you're making an investment in higher education is critical. not just to you but to the entire nation. when governor romney said we should let detroit go bankrupt, i said we're going to bet on american workers and american auto industry, and they've come surging back. i want to do that not only in detroit but in the entire country.
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>> cenk: i like that detroit comment. you know he let detroit go bankrupt, he came to play. i really knew he was doing to dominate when he said this. >> obama: when governor romney said he had a five-point plan. governor romney does not have a five-point plan. he has an one-point plan. that's to make sure that folks at the top play by a different set of rules. that has been his philosophy in the private sector that was his philosophy as governor. >> cenk: damn, i love that five-point plan. mitt romney is looking around the middle of the ring, is that what is happening here? oh no, what now. >> cenk: then that started a series of tense conversation. >> romney: you cut permits and licenses on federal lands and federal waters in half.
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>> obama: not true. >> romney: how much did you cut them by. >> obama: we produced more oil. >> romney: how much did you cut licenses on federal lands and waters. >> obama: here's what we did. >> romney: i had a question, hutch did you cut them by. >> obama: i'm happy to answer the question. >> romney: and it is. >> obama: production is up. >> romney: production on oil on land is 14% and production of gas is down 9%. >> obama: that's not true. >> romney: you're a person who will push for oil gas and coal. you'll get your chance in a moment. i'm still speaking. >> obama: well, i want to answer your question. >> romney: that was not a question. have you looked at your pension. >> obama: you know i don't look at my pension. it's not as big as yours. it wouldn't take as long. i don't check it that often. >> romney: let me give you some advice, look at your pension. >> cenk: let me give you some advice, mitt romney stop
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talking. mitt romney was totally misleading on the oil from federal land. do you know what happened under obama's watch? oil production went up 14%. what is romney talking about? one year where permits went down. why did it go down? because the bp disaster. they put a moratorium for one year. even despite that production went up. do you want to keep going romney. >> obama: please proceed governor. >> cenk: by all means but let's be fair to romney he had a really good moment in the debate. talking about the last four years. this is where he made his best case for his candidacy. >> romney: i can tell if you were to elect president obama you know what you're going to get. you're going to get a repeat of the last four years. he said by now we would have unemployment at 5.4%. the difference between where it is now and 5.4%.
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is 9 million americans out of work. he said by now he would put forward a plan to reform medicare and social security because he pointed out they're on the road to bankruptcy. he would reform them. he hasn't even made a proposal on either one. he said in his first year he would put together an immigration plan that would deal with our immigration challenges. didn't even file it. he said that he would cut in half the deficit. he hasn't done that either. in fact, he doubled it. >> cenk: the economy has not improved as much as we would want it, this is romney's main line of attack. he did it fairly effectively. did he lie in there? of course he's mitt romney. he said, i didn't say but he said that unemployment would be down 5.4%. of course, he didn't say that. two of the economists who wound up working for obama later thought even if you did no stimulus that the economy would rebound by itself up to 5.9%. and if you did stimulus, 5.4%. it turns out they are wrong because they didn't know how
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terribly the republicans had destroyed the economy. after the prediction the economy got worse under bush and the beginning of the obama term. so obama didn't say it. and it was actually much worse because of the republicans. nonetheless he did made an effective case for people who don't know all the facts. you want to keep going governor romney. >> obama: please proceed governor. >> cenk: all right let's proceed to the worse moment for romney. are you different than george w. bush. look at this terrible answer. >> romney: president bush and i are different people and these are different times. we can now by virtue of new technology get all the energy we need in north america without having to go to the arabs or venezuelans, that wasn't true in his time. number two trade, i would expand trade in latin america. i'll present a balanced budget.
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president bush didn't. president obama is right. it was outrageous to have deficits of. >> cenk: that's the best you got? we don't need the arabs any more and i'm going to kick some chinese ass? that was horrible. do you know why he doesn't have a good answer? because he does have the same plan as george w. bush. that is to cut more taxes than bush and create more wars than george w. bush in the middle east. that's not all. president obama took that opportunity to pile on and talk about the social side of romney as well. watch. >> obama: there are some things where governor romney is different from george bush. george bush did not propose turning medicare into a voucher. george bush embraced comprehensive immigration reform. he didn't call for
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self-deportation. george bush never suggested we eliminate funding for planned parenthood. there are differences but they are are not on the economy policy. in some cases he has gone to a more extreme place when it comes to social policy. >> cenk: i would have been stronger than that, not in some ways but every way. mitt romney is significantly more right wing than george w. bush, who was already insanely right wing. but the president pointed out some of those facets in the answer. we turn to bengahzi. this is where the president was supposed to be in trouble. mitt romney accused i am half making. political. >> obama: the suggestion that anybody on my team, secretary of state our u.n. ambassador, anybody on my team would play politics or mislead when we've lost four of our own governor, is offensive. that's not what we do.
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that's not what i do as president. that's not what i do as command center chief. >> cenk: now i'm going to say controversial here, but i don't believe him. i think they did make it political. i think they make things political all the time. nonetheless, he said it very forcefully and seemed to have won over the crowd. do you want to keep going governor? >> obama: proceed, governor. >> cenk: oh, he made the makes of proceeding. watch what happened next. >> romney: i think it's interesting that the president said something interesting. on the day after the attack he went to the rose garden and said this was an act of terror. you said in the rose garden the day after the attack it was an act of terror. it was not a spontaneous demonstration,. >> obama: please proceed governor. >> romney: i want to make sure that we got that for the record. it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in bengahzi an act of terror. >> he did in fact, sir.
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>> obama: can you say that louder candy? >> he did call it an act of terror. terror. >> cenk: oops. man romney stepped into that there. and he said, can we hear that again? oh no, where does romney find himself again? oh no, not again! this time its romney on romney. he's the one who screwed it up for himself. all right for a debate that was this epic, anybody guess who we're going to? [ ♪ music ♪ ] >> cenk: michael shure in "the war room" in san francisco. is this an epic beatdown or did the president win by a little bit. >> it depends the way you're looking at. if you're looking at substance
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which is not what people are looking for in this debate considering the first debate, yeah, it was a beatdown. the president did what he wanted to do. can you look at it and say he crushed him--no. it was a to do list, but it was not a perfect debate. it's like a boy the first time he sees his dad vulnerable, and then all of a sudden he's waiting to see his father be his father again. that's what happened to the base last night. that may be a hokey comparison but that's what it sort of felt like to me. the base saw someone who came out strong and really on fire about his record, which is something that they wanted to see. proceed, cenk. >> cenk: thank you. well actually i want to go to the last answer here because president obama might have saved the best for last. let me show you that and get your reaction. >> obama: when he said behind closed doors that 47% of the country consider themselves
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victims who refuse personal responsibility think about who he was talking about. folks on social security who have worked all their lives veterans who sacrificed for this country, students who are out there trying to, hopefully advance their own dreams but also this country's dreams soldiers who are overseas fighting for us right now people who are working hard every day paying payroll tax gas tax but don't make enough in income. i want to fight for them. that's what i've been doing for the past four years. if they succeed, i believe the country succeeds. >> cenk: now michael i know you thought that was the right way to go. and you just said he won the debate over all. so do his numbers start to go up at this point? what is your sense of that? >> yeah, i think they crawl back up. what you saw in the immediate afternoon math of the debate number one was mitt romney take a little bit of a surge. and that surge held on.
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the soles show nationally--the polls show that he's ahead. assuming that that is the case, i do think so. i think you'll see it creep up or solidifying rather than this huge bump like he got in charlotte or like mitt romney got after the first debate in denver. i think it will be a little bit different. one thing that he did get today in these reports gerald epstein said he would vote for obama. >> cenk: that's it. we have one more vote. we will find out who won the debate according to the american people. we have all the polls. you know obama won because the republicans are crying. we'll show that you, oh, no, the moderator, and they did get to michaelmichelle obama. she has violated the rules. >> romney: the administration indicated that this was a reaction to a video and was a
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spontaneous reaction. >> they did. >> cenk: was she clapping? oh that scandal when we return. also i'm going to get aggressive progressive on a banker. god, the amount of money that he made for gross failure is unbelievable and who is fending him? >> i can't work for an dollar any more. i can't continue this without getting compensated. >> i think there is a stench in this group. [ ♪ theme music ♪ ]
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58-36, a substantial win for president bush. and if you go to the c nbc poll who won the presidential debate over all? 68-28. that's whole lopping. according to cnn, president obama clearly won their poll but are they going to report it? this is sad but funny at the same time. >> a light edge for president obama. if you take a look over all anderson of all of these numbers, pretty much a slight, slight edge to the president but i think the poll shows pretty much of a draw. >> also interesting when you look at who they change their vote 25%-25%. >> cenk: no, don't look at the
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46%-49% that pretty much, pretty much, pretty much a draw. no, it's not a draw. 46-49, president obama won. when romney won you didn't say it was pretty much a draw. you said romney won. when a democrats wins, it's a pretty much a draw. can you imagine if these guys covered sports. denver or san diego played, it seemed like san diego came back and scored but it was pretty much a draw. i don't want to offend norv turner. by the way, norv turner a loser. here are the conservatives on fox news. >> we've got candy crowly's intervention which was essentially incorrect, supporting obama on the transcript. did he not call it a terror incident. there was a big opening that was contaminated by the absence of the moderator. >> cenk: i love that one. if you actually see the truth of the moderator you contaminated
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the debate. that is fox news in a nutshell. going on other networks, he'll lie there, too. >> candy crowly had no business do realtime, if you will, trying to fact check because she was dead wrong. this president got caught tonight with a bunch of statements that weren't correct. he was wrong on the statement about the permits for oil. he was wrong on the statements for the permits for shale. he was wrong on coal. he was deliberate in his dishonesty. the problem is this president lives in his own world. >> cenk: i love the projection that sununu does. he was not wrong in any of those things. you guys live in your own world that is not attached to reality at all. but the main point oh, the moderator, the moderator, we would have won otherwise. [ sobbing ] yeah i'm sure.
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they said, remember, there was no clapping allowed and the miscreant who broke that rule. >> romney: the administration administration--the administration indicated this was a reaction to a video that was spontaneous reaction. >> cenk: oh, my god! they got her! did you see that half a second of clapping? if michelle obama had not clapped, if she wasn't such a miscreant then mitt romney would have won. what kind of loser makes that excuse. there was agreed-to silence on the part of the audience at hofstra university and it was broken at one point during tuesday's presidential debate by inappropriate and bipartisan applause. from the daily crawler continues to cry about the same issue. during tuesday night's debate in
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temperature stead, new york, first lady michelle obama applauded her husband which appears to violate article 9 section 5, subsection 7 of the commission of presidential debate rule book. [ sobbing ] loser! parallelling norv turner, they may even be bigger. i can't believe mitt romney was the loser. it was michelle obama. [ sobbing ] let's welcome michael hastings, you were in the spin room, and what happened in the spin room that gave a sense of who might have won or lost? >> well, for the big picture the obama campaign knew they dug themselves in a hole in denver. last night they were 22
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democratic surrogates in the spin room. there were 37 republican surrogates, and they were confident. i don't--i think one can say that they stopped the slide whether the obama campaign has regained moment is another question but they felt they had a great night. they felt the debate preparation worked, and they said they'll bring the same plan to boca raton on monday. >> cenk: they complained about the moderator, michelle obama and the format. lou dobbs. tonight makes it clear that we should never ever have pretend town halls use as a debate format. the whole thing was a horrible sham. who allows real people into that debate. how tear they. >> i got to say i thought it was an amazing debate. i think it will go down as one of the all-time memorial memorable ones because the stakes were so high. they went in to three or four
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lectures to the audience about how no one should clap, no one should holler, no one should i plus. i am totally opposed to it. i would like to see more applause hooting hollering tweeting, i think it makes the debates more exciting and interesting. i think that works for the advantage of the candidates. they're used to interaction when they go into crowds. it's strange to go before audiences and not have the back and forth that they're used to. >> cenk: they're complaining about the town hall format but it seemed that mitt romney took advantage of it more than president obama. he got into the president's face. he walked up to the president constantly etc. it was a curious thing that your guy says, i'm going to take advantage of this more format. i'm going to walk up to him challenge him, and when he loses he still cries.
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>> there's a reason why it's called the spin room both sides will come out and say they won. many view that president obama had the edge, but it was not the kind of glow out that blow out in denver. one of the things that governor romney said in the past, i think he said in the 47% video that he needed a chance to get the president on stage. and that's proven to be true. i think the romney that we have seen has not been the caricature that has been demonized the corporate bankster, he has transformed into the mitt romney who was governor of massachusetts. that's a much more difficult opponent for someone like the president who can be naturally conciliatory and find common ground to debate against. >> cenk: that is true, but he still seem to have done a good job. we'll see the debate thursday and we'll see how that goes. and fox news said he won on points. that's clear. >> the media consensuses with that obama won.
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>> cenk: okay, all right. it seems the media the people, everybody agrees except for the romney folks, of course. michael, thanks so much. we'll talk to you soon again. when we come back we'll show you a testy mitt romney. when things did not go his way all of a sudden he got cranky during the debate. >> to see all these people. they've been waiting for you. >> the president of the strauss. >> i got to move you along. >> he actually got the first question so i get the last answer on that one. >> actually in the follow-up it doesn't work like that. >> cenk: you don't get everything. all right, we're going to have mark hamill in here, and he'll help us bring that down and how romney lost his cool. then later we've got a binder full of he will boys for mitt romney. yourself. with governors granholm, spitzer, and vice president gore, watch the only truly experienced presidential debate coverage.
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>> it's go time. (vo) at the only online forum with a direct line to cenk uygur. >>if you had to vote for a republican, which one would it be? (vo) join the debate now. [ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> cenk: you know something interesting happened in last night's debate when mitt romney started losing and getting challenged by president obama he started getting testier and testier. we were not the only ones noticing it. the dnc noticed it as well and immediately put up an ad. >> speak to it if you could governor, the idea of self-deportation. [ ♪ music ♪ ] >> romney: thank you i appreciate that question. i want to make sure that i think i was supposed to get that last
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answer. >> if you could make it short. do you see all these people? they've been waiting for you. >> obama: as president of the united states. >> i'll move you on. >> romney: he got the first question, so i will get the last answer. >> in the follow-up it doesn't quite work like that but i'll give a chance, i promise you i'm going to. the next question is for you. if you want to continue on, but i don't want to leave all these guys sitting here. >> romney: candy, candy, i had a question how much did you cut them by. >> obama: i'm happy to answer the question. >> romney: you'll get your chance in a moment. i'm still speaking. >> cenk: my favorite when he does this, he spoke last, i get to speak, it's not fair. [ sobbing ] i love what he does. i'll bring in friends here. mark hamill is back. you might remember him as luke skywalker and he has a new movie coming out in january. michael shure is in san
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francisco. jayar jackson is in the studio here, so we have all these guys to talking to. mark, the last time you were in the studio you said in the high school debate they would say wait a minute, you got to be hospital, and you got to check your facts. how do you feel they did here? >> the thrilling moment of the area when he was fact checked in realtime by candy crowly. oh my gosh, it was like scripted drama where you couldn't believe the stunned look on his face. they were up on the back of his head you can see the screened capture how stunned he was. his whole attitude is typical of a guy who has never been questioned. he is the ceo, his way or the highway, and he dismissed you. it was incredibly--i'm not big on rules and regulations but it was stated clearly that the candidates were not allowed to directly question the other candidate. how many times did he do that, he did it over and over and over
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just like rick perry. i was surprised he didn't try to put his hand on obama's shoulder. >> cenk: it seemed like there was an inadvisable line like a force field, and zzz zzz. they're crying about michelle obama clapping for a half second. you're right. and mitt romney broke the rules over and over again. >> repeat lid. you hear legislature in massachusetts when he had press conferences there were pieces of tape on the floor with names where he wanted each individual reporter to stand. he's really into control. what threw him off his game was that they were able to move around rattled him a little bit. >> cenk: i didn't know that about the reporters. let's show you some clips and we'll bring in jayar jackson and michael in the conversation. this is where he gets testy over pension. >> romney: any investments i've had over the past eight years are managed by a blind trust and
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i understand they do have investments outside of the united states and including chinese companies. mr. president have you looked a why the the your pension. >> i don't look at my pension. it's not as big as yours. it wouldn't take as long. >> romney: let me give you some advice. >> obama: i don't check it as often. >> cenk: i like that burn by the president. jayar, look, we talk a lot about substance but here the look also matters and how it comes across to the audience. who do you think won here? >> this is the thing. i like that--it seemed like he was preparing for president obama to come more aggressive. he's thinking he needs to be more aggressive, too. i need to look like i'm still in control. he doesn't really like it could have backfired on him. the white guy who wants to control the conversation. the same problem as before. i like the fact that dnc put that together to show that he's trying to control everybody and what they're trying to do. i think it may have been
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over-preparation to neutralize president obama's aggressive attitude. >> cenk: michael, dubai into that? do you think he comes across overly privileged or overly hostile? >> listen, he fulfills pre-existing image that we already have of the guy. if you look back and mark can do this, and jayar as well. if you think about all the debates gone by of this year and every other year, what do you remember about substance? you remember george bush checking his watch. you remember mike dukakis not answering the question properly. you have mitt romney who was off balance, and that was important for the president and the tone of the campaign. >> cenk: one more clip where they talk about the oil drilling and leases, let's look. >> romney: you cut permits and licenses on federal lands and period waters in half. >> obama: not true governor romney. >> romney: by how much did you cut them. >> obama: governor, we've produced more oil. >> romney: how much did you cut
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licenses and permits on federal lands and waters. >> obama: this is what we did there were a who bunch of oil companies. >> romney: how much did you cut them by. >> obama: i'm happy to answer the question. >> romney: and that is? >> cenk: yeah, mark, does that cross the line? they're debating, fighting, but at the same time one of them is president. was that, too, disrespectful to the president? >> well, it's arguable. i'm not one for great decorum. i like the idea of an open debate like in france where they stand at a podium. there is no moderator. they go at each other for a pre-determined amount of time. but this repeated--it's almost like harassment, you know, the president is trying to get his answer together, because it's not coming fast enough for the ceo. [ snapping ] he says it again and again three times in a row. you know, it's arguably very disofdisrespectful. patronizing beyond all belief.
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>> cenk: i wanted to say you know, he doesn't work for you. >> he didn't want to get the specifics. he wanted to set the tone and show i am in control. he didn't want the specifics. he didn't want the answer. >> cenk: overall with mark i'm with mark. i like the freeferral. >> give the guy to get a word out. it didn't come out exactly the way he wanted it to sound he repeated the question over and over, and it's bullying to the highest degree to me. >> cenk: great conversation. jayar jackson, mark hamill, thank you for joining us. when we come back, we have a binder full of--god, that was great. the reality behind that quote. >> went to a number of women's groups can you find us and they brought us binders full of women.
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>> cenk: i love this aggressive progressive segment and i can't wait to do it to a banker. the ceo of citigroup, in his five. year watch he was an epic disaster. do you know how much of their value they lost in five years? only 88%. they lost 88% of their value! share price gone down. i know there was a crash in there, but it's not like they were faultless for the crash. they caused the crash along with other banks and they never recovered because they suck, right? so obviously if you lose 88% of your share you're not going to get paid that much, right? wrong again, bob they're bankers. look at how much they got paid over those five years $261 million! how would you like to have that in your profession. bob, i have to pull you in, you were awful, here is
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$261 million. how could you you do that to us? [ sobbing ] did i expect this to happen? i think i have a word for it. of course! of course that was going to happen! and cnbc are crying about it. not that he got $200 million but crying because he had to step down. >> let's face it, you have an individual who sold his hedge fund to citi, taking taking the ceo role five years ago, and then during the financial crisis agreeing to work for a dollar, getting bashed and bashed again by the president by the populous, and he probably just said to himself look, i'm done. they don't want to pay me commiserate with one of my colleagues are making, i can't work for a dollar any more. i can't continue this without
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getting compensated. >> cenk: unbelieve! he didn't make a dollar last year. he made $15 million last year. there was a three-year stretch in which they lost--let me tell you--27% of their value and he made $43 million in those three years. but what is maria barteroma going to do? oh get him a blanket. cnbc might be worse than fox news how much they love the rich, how conservative they are, how ridiculous they are is that enough? i think that's enough. all right when we come back stop and frisk in new york city, who do they do it to? shockingly enough blacks and latinos, do they go too far? of course, we'll tell you when we come back. >> what are you touching me for? >> he told me he was going to go through my pockets. he was going through my sweater. he said to keep my hands on my
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>> cenk: new york city has a stop-and-frisk policy that is totally out of control. you know what they did? they did a documentary short put together here on a particular stop that happened to a kid named alvin. you'll get a sense hey once you record what happened here, you get a sense of what new yorkers go through on a dale by basis. watch a part of it. >> you again man. >> you know why? >> you look suspicious. >> because you're always looking at me crazy. you're always looking crazy always. >> it comes with the job listen to me. listen to me. our job is but you when keep looking at us.
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>> because i just got stopped. >> cenk: what are you doing looking at cops? you're going to get pulled over especially if you are yeah black or latino. >> he was holding me going through the pockets, going up and down, going through my sweater. that's when he told me to keep my hands on my head. i was like this the whole time. >> do you want to go to jail? >> what for? >> shut your--bleep--mouth. >> what am i getting arrested for. >> for bees a mutt. >> that's what i'm arrested for for being a mutt? >> i'm going to break your arm. >> cenk: well, as you can see there they called him a mutt, they said why we stopped you. away to get racial. then the traffic cop randomly sets them off into violence.
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but it's okay, bloomberg says, mayor bloomberg does, he said, look, violent crime is down 29% in new york. but here's the problem. stop and frisk is up 600%. but have they confiscated any more guns? nope. gun confiscation is where it was. when you look at the 29% number is that good compared to other cities in that same time period? foam. in los angeles down 59%. new orleans, 56%. dallas 49%. and 37% down in baltimore as well. 29% in new york is sub-par. now council members are upset about this. one council member, there's no way i said that right sorry council member said, quote this has been completely ineffective. the practice alienates the community. and nypd could have resolved
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these issues, but they have not. and another council member said, i believe unfortunate incidents such as this illustrate the need for further oversight of the stop and frisk practice. i put my full support behind the community safety act and i believe ther these policy changes would help in the beginning a new dialogue between the nypd and minority community, here, here. eric snyder who worked on this joins us now. erin, great to have you here. the documentary is called "the hunted and the hated: an inside look of new york's stop-and-frisk policy." how prevalent is this? >> well, that's the thing. it's actually happening 1800 times a day. in all the boroughs and all the precincts. what we've been hearing is most of the precincts have quotas, which are driving the practice and making the police focus on numbers and stopping more and
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more people instead of focusing on the situation and the crimes occurring in each precinct. >> cenk: that's a lot of people getting stopped and fring frisked. does it happen to be disproportionately minorities. >> i wouldn't say it happens to be but it is. every year it's disproportionate disproportionately 86% to 90% mostly black and latino. >> cenk: and new york is not 86% to 90 black and and latino. >> oh, it's 80% to 90%, and no, it's not 80% black or latino. >> cenk: they are picking on people that they call muts. they say they have to do this for safety. is that a legitimate argument? >> that's the choice that they keep painting. it's a false choice between stop and frisk and going back to the crack epidemic blowing crime through the roof. that is not going to be happening. stop and frisk actually has no
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correlation to crime. in some neighborhoods and some precincts, crime has gone up, shootings have gone up and stop and frisk has gone up. there is no correlation or evidence that they can prove to that stop a frisk is lowering crime. even if you take away stop and frisk as a policy, interest is just no way that the crime is going to descend back into a place of 1990s. >> cenk: by the way if if you're part of a community and cops are supposed to be there to protect and serve you and instead they harass you then you don't want to work with the cops, and then crime is pup it's not rocket science. when you look at stop and frisk and the surveillance against muslims without warrants, etc. have the new york police given up on the constitution? like, it's not relevant to them any more? >> apparently so. that's what you can hear. the only thing that they announce is the unconstitutionality of this stop. they stopped him because he keeps looking back at them. if you're going to be looking at
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back at tinted window in cars that don't belong in a neighborhood, and they're driving slowly. they have given up. >> cenk: we appreciate it. the elbow of the day. you might guess who it's on. but it's pickerly rich as to who is delivering it, and with what facts. this corruption based on corruption based on corruption. >>that's an understatement, eliot.
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feeding the baby, and tweeting. we have our own media expert. >> i was here with my own binder of social media women. we were tracking the conversation. there were over 7 million tweets sent in that half hour and a half. if you thought it was crazy you're not crazy. what we were doing was making a lot of animated gifs, our way of telling the story of what was happening in a different way. we have romney appealing or not appealing to very unimpressed women or someone else who remixed this with the face of the olympic whenner who was not impressed. >> cenk: i like that look. he had the famous line. >> romney: i had the chance to pull together a cabinet and all the applicants seemed to be men. i went to my staff and i said
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how come all of people for these jobs are men. they said here are the people with qualifications. i went to a number of women's groups and said can you help us find folks and they brought binders full of women. >> cenk: i didn't think it was as funny as others thought but it's not true at all. >> the binders full of women were put together by 40 groups in massachusetts who wanted to see more women in senior-level roles. they put it together before he was elected. he didn't ask them for it, he may have asked them for it, but it was already made. >> cenk: it wasn't like he said to his stamp i need that binder full of women. for romney, it was 30% before romney. but after romney, 27.6% so in reality actually he brought down the number of women in senior level positions. >> i don't think anybody thought he helped. let's see the elbow. >> cenk: there he is in the
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middle of the ring--oh know, it's a binder full of women. on top of his head. shana thank you very much. >> thank you. i have to get home and make dinner. >> cenk: unbelievable. all right, guys, we'll see you tomorrow. [ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> eliot: good evening i'm eliot spitzer and this is view point. it was a slug fest. president obama and governor mitt romney fought it out toe-to-toe in last night second presidential debate. the president was control and in command, and perhaps not a day too soon. the gallup poll shows mitt romney with a six-point lead over the president, the biggest in the campaign. those numbers don't reflect what happened in last night's debate.
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